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Basically, do you have any sort of habit that you do that makes the host uncomfortable except you're able to do it without any discomfort in the body. I think.

First, just if there are habitual differences to how the body is used, second if those habitual differences could potentially cause discomfort. Just curiosity, so it's more like just asking if there are behavioral differences at all, what they would be if there are, and how the feeling is when such differences are expressed.

11:09 PM

It's just that specifically uncomfortable feelings would be most likely remembered, but if there's anything else I'm also curious about it. It doesn't have to be a habit or a tic, but those are strong examples of behavioral differences.

I'm less social and more active. Mal can't keep up with any of my hobbies, and she gets more anxious when she can't speak as much. Doesn't bother me.

Have you noticed things like differences in gait? Subconscious things like frequency by which your hands touch your face, your arms fold, things of that nature?

Yes. I had to get better at all that. People used to know exactly when either of us were around.

@Jas Yes. I tend to sit up straighter and be more deliberate with my actions.

What does this mean? I'm curious about the details mostly, because of how many possibilities there could be and how strong some of them might be.

24/7 visualization is near painful

11:37 PM

But the best gains are gotten when you max out (edited)

11:37 PM

so we shall push on

I also do speak rather differently - certainly more formal, but also more 'softly' and lighter in timbre.

11:41 PM

@Jas What does what mean?

I tend to be a bit more soft spoken and the voice isn't as intense as my host's. I tend to start cleaning the room out of habit and speak a little bit slower.

hmm

11:48 PM

so you guys are switching?

Like, if you touch something, is there a difference in what finger is used? When the sun needs to be blocked by a hand to see properly, do you use the back or front of your hand to face you? There's a lot of differences there can be, potentially, but also they can probably go unnoticed.

I switch and possess often. Posession is an everday occurrance, but those traits come out only when I'm switches as I'm in control of the body. Mhm, I tend to lean more toward the left hand sometimes. I tend to bite the hands a bit more as it's something I do, as well as bite the lips.

@Jas Ah. I haven't been in a situation for things such as blocking the sun with my hand. I typically move something else in the way as I want to continue using my hands.

12:26 AM

I haven't paid attention specifically to how I touch things.

12:26 AM

I do know, however, that I act in a manner differently enough that it is quite clear who is speaking or moving.

That is the trend I am noticing. There's probably a lot of differences but they tend to go unnoticed.

I don't really pay attention to it, I guess I just have my own quirks. I can hum at times.

I wasn't expecting this, but that's what curiosity is for.

[Oh, Harlo def messes with our hair more, namely brushing our bangs aside. I shake my leg more. We sit differently, I think I sit in a more "male" way and her more feminine for sure. Harley also has a habit of clench our mouth shut very hard. I chew on our nails much more. Harley types softer, where I pound the keys to oblivion. Harley also def has better posture, sitting up straighter with the shoulders up, where as I slouch.] @Jas

Shaking your legs, hyped up on Pepsi.

2:35 AM

Speaking of clenching, whenever I play games on a controller I tend to grip them very tightly.

I thought you would have more explicit knowledge of the differences, Angel.

When you guys think thoughts at your tulpa, verbal or otherwise, do you always direct your thoughts towards them, or let your thoughts naturally float around? Or does it depend?

We direct thoughts.

I direct thoughts

There is no need to direct thoughts or communicate at all, for us. But that is after a lot of years of becoming integrated into living.

She manages to isolate her lines of thought, so I make a point of directing thoughts when I want them to go to her

3:20 AM

But unlike Jas et al., she's rather young and I'm quite new to the whole shebang (edited)

[Oh, it depends on what we want]

3:20 AM

[we dont talk, normally]

What do you mean direct your thoughts do you mean like are you explicating thinking about them vs thinking in general or something else?

That's sorta kinda how I do it

thinking "at" them, not necessarily about them.

Thinking at them is a better way to put it

yeah I'm not really sure what thinking at them means although I'll usually say her name before starting and then continue to visualize her or be listening carefully for a reaction although sometimes she does comment on something I'm thinking without me having been thinking about her at the time

That sounds somewhat similar

the whole direction of thoughts and moving thoughts around in your head confuses me I get moving around in the wonderland but I don't understand the whole flow of thoughts having direction or stuff like that

You develop the ability to think at them as you narrate, or that's what I understand to be the point of narrating and such early on, at least in part.

It's the mental version of being in a group of people and specifically looking at one to speak to them.

yeah I guess, I don't know maybe I have the ability and just don't realize I'm doing it although Allun seems to have a more concrete understanding of the idea

3:29 AM

during possession she's said that she found the area that stored the memories with muscle memory on our like 5th day of trying I think now she can use it and posses fine although we can't switch as I'm not capable of leaving the front

@Ruethus the Silver Sorceror I know, when I was young there was a lot of communication between myself and my host as we were new to each other.

To be fair, the communication is still rather sparse

3:30 AM

Most of it is me asking questions that are answered by gestures, or her commenting on things happening around me

yeah, it's not... a direction, or even really a skill. It's just... what @Kaliya said pretty much. Thinking at them, as you would talk to someone.

so yeah I guess I do that

She seems to already have access to my memories despite that supposedly not always being a given, so most of the time she knows what I think and I know what she thinks

I'm like, reading your comments, but I just can't understand "thinking at them".

oh that's another thing with me and Allun she can read my thoughts but I can't read hers at all

I basically preface the intended communication with an equivalent of "Hey Alna"

yeah the thinking at them seems like a weird concept my best guess is it's just making sure they're hearing the thoughts you're trying to share with them

just... imagine there's someone already in your head with you.

3:34 AM

Then imagine you're "talking" to them via thought. (edited)

3:34 AM

That's all it means.

so yeah pretty much what I'm thinking I'm just bad at wording it

That makes much more sense. "Thinking at them" just sounds very comical to me.

that's what it is though

yeah it just made it sound almost like your physically dictating the path of neurons your thoughts should take to get to the tulpa which didn't make sense

...no

I know that just how my mind was wrongly interpreting it

3:40 AM

honestly I'm actually pretty bad at a lot of the stuff meanwhile Allun somehow manages to make it work regardless

@Ruethus the Silver Sorceror "sparse" communication is a lot considering our current frequency of communication. Barring any significant events, it may never occur.

I mean, that's fair

3:45 AM

Most of my communications now are me passing along requests for use of her... particular skills

It might be more economical just to read thoughts. I don't know if it's supposed to happen automatically, but that's the way it was for us.

3:46 AM

Not language-thoughts, I mean. The level of thought under language, whatever the meaning is. It makes communication really fast.

Well... given that we're still scoping out what's possible... I try to be specific with what I want

I think that would be the default of intrasystem communication. I know only some others don't do things that way, but those others seem to also have a lot of other strange rules in place for intrasystem relations.

I think a lot of people are comfortable with what they know, which is words. I certainly am. (edited)

At least Alna can understand my English

3:51 AM

There was a bit where I thought she might prefer Japanese

3:51 AM

But fortunately that wasn't the case

I am bad with words

5:43 AM

I can be witty at times but unless I'm hanging with the boys or having irl speak I fumble

5:44 AM

I tend to just let my thoughts flow over chat because my hands can keep up with typing

5:44 AM

hence the loads of spaghettit. AJ is more reserved in that sense

Luna/ That's a good example of narration that could be beneficial for tulpa's development. Keep it up.

I only speak of strange rules in the sense that they legitimately harm the system rather than keep it healthy.

6:08 AM

If one does prefer to speak in English purely with their tulpa, somehow keeping thoughts and memory veiled, I do not think that is bad until there is significant animosity between systemmates.

6:10 AM

Animosity breeds where understanding is scarce. Understanding can form completely from knowing someone's thoughts and intentions and specifically why they are the way they are. It helps a great deal, at least.

6:12 AM

It also helps because sometimes motivation and reason can be potentially generated from incomplete information and even fabricated out of subconscious intrusion. When more is above board, less is left for the chaotic whims of the subconscious.

can anyone here visualise 24/7? step one on JDs guide for visual imposition says to basically visualize 24/7 until it becomes an unconscious thought routine that plays out all the time.

6:16 AM

I would venture to say AJ has been visualized for about 60-70% of my day, anything outside of that was due to mental strain of some kind

24/7 is probably an exaggeration, no guide would actually intent for you to do so that much

she's been having a bit of fun

6:16 AM

@Srn347 the guide is hardcore, and that is TOTALLY the intent

6:16 AM

since the end goal is near permanent visual imposition, step one is to reinforce an unconscious thought routine

6:16 AM

so that you are better prepared to have them visualized more often than not

For what do you need permanent imposition?

well, I don't really know JD but fwiw I'm just gonna say: visualization definitely is something that gets better with practice, so just do what you can (don't literally aim for 24/7 though, there are those who have actually deprived themselves of sleep for such purposes and it's not really worth)

well then all day

6:27 AM

you know what I mean

yeah, find the time that you can

also @Deleted User FULL and COMPLETE visual imposition is the end goal here, well auditory and stuff to